Waiting For Tommy XXV
By
Richard Johnston
Interview with Jim Lee |
RICHARD:
Wasn't that song called? Eye Of The Storm? Something like that.
Right then, before we go any further, I can feel the entire
weight of the DC Authority Message Board weighing down on me,
yes that's enough Keravin, I'll ask him.
The
Authority, written by Mark
Millar, soon became Wildstorm's best selling title, and
one of DC's best selling titles. Yet it's reported that the
title was micromanaged by DC, on some occasions by Paul Levitz
himself, causing a dilution of the factors that brought the
title so much attention, and the disillusionment of Mark Millar
with both the title and the publisher. Are you happy about
decisions made by DC concerning your company's then flagship
title, and would you have preferred to see events occur differently?
JIM:
Hey, I thought you weren't going to ask me all the same old
questions I always get! [laughter] I think I've answered this
several times in different interviews--the most recent being
on Newsarama if I recall.
RICHARD:
I don't know. I was going for actual answers here, based on
questions that were a bit more specific than may have been
put before.
JIM:
I have to disagree--I thought Michael Doran was pretty specific,
but I haven't reread that piece in some time. And maybe Keravin
didn't read it. So just for him...first off, I do think there
are some matters which are private and the working relationship
between editorial and talent falls into that category. For
me at least. I know not everyone feels that way. But I don't
know how you build effective working relationships with talent
by airing dirty laundry when things go awry.
RICHARD:
I'd argue that there is no current effective working relationship
with Mark Millar, to build or otherwise.
JIM:
Rich, I was speaking in general terms. And even despite best
efforts--people often chose to go their own paths rather than
working to a resolution. But I certainly would not have a
problem working with Mark again. He may feel differently--his
prerogative. But going public with disputes has never been
my style... and I'm unfortunately not going to start now,
because in essence, it all boils down to a "he said, she said"
type of discussion and ya know what--there's always two sides
to a story and frankly, no one wins those battles; it brings
both parties down. But I know that's just my opinion.
RICHARD:
Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

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JIM:
I guess I like my sport in ballparks. But, yes, as the
Authority's content became more and more "adult" and because
it was a WildStorm all ages book (which is more permissive
still than say a regular DCU comics coded title), there
were a number of problems which came up during Mark and
Frank's run on the book. Does that mean I don't like them?
No, I think they are some of the finest, most talented
creators out there, and I'm still friendly with both of
them. Am I embarrassed by the work they did? No, absolutely
not... as a 38 year old comics fan, I love what they did,
and I think they made their mark on the title without
invalidating the equally fantastic run Warren
[Ellis] and Bryan
[Hitch] had on the book. |
But was
it incongruent with how the book started out? Yes. I think
as the stories became more sensational and in some respects,
brutal, I think it no longer felt like a book I would feel
comfortable handing to a 14 year old and say, hey check this
one out. Towards the end of their run, yes, there were meetings
where lots of changes were passionately argued for and against.
Sometimes things were "fixed" just by doing little things
like altering lighting/coloring schemes... other changes were
asked to be made. And we tried to include Mark and Frank in
as much of this as possible. But not to the degree they would
have liked I am sure. But that kind of give and take happens
on nearly every book we publish; however, 99% of the time,
whatever issues come up are amicably or at the very least,
professionally resolved.
RICHARD:
I know Mark argues that there was nothing in his run that
was written and indeed initially passed by Wildstorm editorial
before DC stepped in, that didn't have an equivalent comparable
moment published in Stormwatch. And, of course, it was racing
up the charts to the top, almost unique for DC at the time.
JIM:
That's an arguable point. I don't recall people using women
as ashtrays before, but my memory may be faulty.
RICHARD:
In a related issue, you yourself have been known to self-censor
titles in ways that might concern readers. I understand than
in an early issue of Gen
13, you objected to a woman kissing another woman in a
way that you did not object to with a man and a woman? Why
did you think the former scene was problematic, but not the
latter?
JIM:
I wouldn't call it self-censoring. Am I self-censoring when
I change a scene around to make it better? That story was
like 10 years ago... If memory serves me correctly and honestly,
there is a very good chance it doesn't... that's what 3 kids
will do to you... I thought the girl on girl kiss came out
of nowhere and trivialized the character's sexuality. Now
people may argue that having a "token" lesbian in Gen13 may
have already crossed that line, but I think we were very conscious
of trying to deal with it in somewhat a realistic way... or
as realistic in a way as Gen 13 would allow.
If we
had run it as is, we would be blasted because the kiss came
out of left field and had no bearing on the story, honestly
it didn't make a whole lot of story sense, so I made the decision
to have Jeff
[Campbell] come up with something different. As the publisher
and owner of the company, that was my call to make and I seriously
did not think it a big issue. And of course, when it became
known something had been changed, there was this uproar of
censorship, which is a crock, really. Lots of things in comics
get changed for a variety of reasons; people seem to be fixated
on the ones connected to sex and violence. But if it makes
critics feel any better, we routinely asked for and continue
to ask for changes in scenes involving heterosexuals as well.
I think
as a whole, WildStorm has had wide success with a broad range
of material, and we're certainly proud of the books we have
been fortunate enough to publish. Books ranging from WildCats
3.0 to Zero Girl to Danger
Girl to Astro
City to Gen 13 to Tom
Strong to the Authority. Show me another small company
with that kind of range.
RICHARD:
AiT/PlanetLar?
JIM:
They would come the closest, but at the risk of pissing off
Larry [Young] and Mimi [Rosenheim], it's not to the same scale.
Great, solid publisher though.
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RICHARD: Oh okay, well let's talk about that range. Wildstorm's
recent foray into adult superhero titles, Eye Of The Storm,
does not seem to have found its audience. Indeed, on the DC
Message Boards recently, an, um, senior DC staffer asked "can
anyone really make heads or tails out of [AUTOMATIC] KAFKA?"
What do you believe has gone wrong? And how can that be addressed?
JIM:
Certainly Automatic Kafka isn't for everyone, but there are
fans who love the book. I think the EOTS is producing some
of the best comic book stories right now.
I think
everyone would like to have better initial numbers, but when
analyzing material created for an older audience, just looking
at the monthly numbers does not paint the entire picture of
a book's success or lack thereof. To complete the picture,
I think we have to take a look at how well the trades do on
these titles and how evergreen their sales are. My hope would
be that they would sell well and more importantly, consistently
over time. That's the formula for success we've seen for books
like 100 Bullets and Transmet. And despite low initial numbers,
I'm encouraged by their reception. The reviews and online
response to Wildcats 3.0, Sleeper and Stormwatch:Team Achilles
has been phenomenal. People really do like the different take,
the new premises running with these characters.
It's
not the MAX line. And it's not Vertigo either. It's something
in between, and I think once we have the Authority up and
running, things will hopefully pick up as the good word of
mouth about the line spreads. If not, I suppose I will have
to go back to delivering pizzas for a living.
RICHARD:
Meaty Feast, extra onions, deep pan. And a sketch of Rogue
on the box please.
JIM:
Meaty Feast? Is that like a Fudge Finger? And as far as sketching
on pizza boxes... done that already.
RICHARD:
I'll look for them on eBay. While you're best known for your
work on Punisher,
X-Men and now definitely Batman, you do seem to have a genuine
ambition to create and innovate personal projects- your Max
Faraday series was seen an example of this. What is it
that stops you continuing in this vein?
JIM:
I can't tell if you are being sincere or sarcastic here, [laughter]
RICHARD:
Would I be sarcastic to you? Okay, well probably, but not
right now.
JIM:
Hmm, but I will take you at your word. Yes, I do. My own personal
tastes for material is very different from a lot of the work
I actually do. In fact, my personal artistic preferences for
art tend to lean more towards the artists who are "uncommercial."
Guys who are terrific designers, great illustrators. Both
of which I am not.
Don't
get me wrong--I love drawing comics--but you have to understand,
when I do superheroes, I'm tapping into my past. My childhood,
my adolescence. That's when superheroes were the be-all, end-all.
Again, not to say I don't have a blast drawing superheroes.
I do--it brings out the kid in me--but today, I enjoy a good
crime comic (like 100 Bullets) or historic comic (like Frank
Miller's 300) or an EOTS title (like Stormwatch: Team Achilles)
more than your regular monthly superhero fare. I guess I'm
showing my age...
But as
to Divine Right, it was not intended to be a superhero comic.
It ended up that way as I started to second guess myself.
It was an opportunity for me to learn and practice combining
my art with my writing and having fun with some ideas I had
about life, reality and the universe. Little subjects like
that! The core of the premise was supposed to be that in the
future, as technology becomes more and more powerful, more
advanced and more complicated, its power and use will in effect
resemble magic. The common man will be unable to understand
how things work because the technology will involve processes
he has no understanding of. That kind of awe and ignorance
will, in effect, allow some to use technology to "inspire"
new religions. Throw in a little time travel and you have
a different take on the Old Testament. I know fans of the
book will be scratching their heads and going, "WTF--I didn't
see that in the book, but it's true!" [laughter] Ultimately,
it was too ambitious for me to handle for my first writing
gig but a great learning experience none-the-less.
What's
stopping me from doing more? Myself really. Archie Goodwin
was the editor who gave me my break into comics over 15 years
ago, and every time I would run into him, he would challenge
me, no matter how well my books were selling, "Hey, when are
you going to do something... more personal." He knew there
was more to a career than just selling kajillions of comics.
And I haven't forgotten his challenge.
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